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	<title>Comments on: Warning to musicians: CdBaby&#8217;s Hostbaby service is a huge rip-off!</title>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 19:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HostBaby has over 14,000 happily hosted musicians using our service. 

You wont find phone support or the dedicated customer support we offer at many other hosts.

We have tippled the size of our development team and have been adding new designs and competitive features on a regular basis.

In-fact, we have major updates planned this month.

We invite you to try it for yourself for free. 

Chris @ HostBaby</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HostBaby has over 14,000 happily hosted musicians using our service. </p>
<p>You wont find phone support or the dedicated customer support we offer at many other hosts.</p>
<p>We have tippled the size of our development team and have been adding new designs and competitive features on a regular basis.</p>
<p>In-fact, we have major updates planned this month.</p>
<p>We invite you to try it for yourself for free. </p>
<p>Chris @ HostBaby</p>
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		<title>By: Nino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Nov 2010 01:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>www.Bandzoogle.com is another band-oriented CMS which seems to have better features than HostBaby, and they offer various levels of pricing - the highest being $20/month. Or use the free website builders you can find on the web together with the free widgets from www.ReverbNation.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.Bandzoogle.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.Bandzoogle.com</a> is another band-oriented CMS which seems to have better features than HostBaby, and they offer various levels of pricing &#8211; the highest being $20/month. Or use the free website builders you can find on the web together with the free widgets from <a href="http://www.ReverbNation.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.ReverbNation.com</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2010 17:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you, Ann.

I am surprised that after four years your post is still relevant. A musician friend signed up for this service before I had the chance to fully evaluate it. I was shocked to find how awful their CMS is and how garbage their templates are, especially at the high cost of US$20/month. Perhaps there are some redeeming qualities, like music/merch sales, but I have yet to get to that point.

I am a professional web designer, and would never advocate this service to anyone. At US$6.95/month, Bluehost offers pretty much everything under the sun without any hassle.  At present, I am hacking the CSS to one of HostBaby&#039;s minimalist templates - at least I have that to work with.

Had I the time and resources (e.g. money), I would invest in creating a website in Drupal, another open-source CMS. It can exceed every feature they have on their site, but I&#039;m just a friend doing a favour ;)

It would be smart for HostBaby to get with the times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you, Ann.</p>
<p>I am surprised that after four years your post is still relevant. A musician friend signed up for this service before I had the chance to fully evaluate it. I was shocked to find how awful their CMS is and how garbage their templates are, especially at the high cost of US$20/month. Perhaps there are some redeeming qualities, like music/merch sales, but I have yet to get to that point.</p>
<p>I am a professional web designer, and would never advocate this service to anyone. At US$6.95/month, Bluehost offers pretty much everything under the sun without any hassle.  At present, I am hacking the CSS to one of HostBaby&#8217;s minimalist templates &#8211; at least I have that to work with.</p>
<p>Had I the time and resources (e.g. money), I would invest in creating a website in Drupal, another open-source CMS. It can exceed every feature they have on their site, but I&#8217;m just a friend doing a favour <img src='http://www.superann.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>It would be smart for HostBaby to get with the times.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IDK, i have been very happy with them...i play in multiple projects, love the layout options and how fast and easy it is. To me it seems way more professional than myspace, i teach privately as well, so for what it costs me for 1 lesson, i have a web site for the month...that  more than pays for itself in my embedded lesson calendar alone...parents look at the calendar and reschedule missed lessons saving at least $20/month in phone tag hassles...(which could be done on any website i realize) plus I write it all off on income tax.  The mailing list function is nice too, unlike anything myspace was offering when i first started.  

I am sure there are better bargains but for the time saved AND the ability to change and update very easily, I am pretty content...speaking of bargains...independent musicians should check out kunaki.com for really cheap cd production...like $2 a disc in batches that are VERY small (like 5 cd&#039;s)

As far as promotion, to me facebook is the best option unless u are a viable touring band with a following.  I am a jazz musician, and simply NOT going to bring huge numbers of people out regularly, but what i have found is last minute fb notices will get those people with nothing to do that night off the couch and into the club.

I stumbled upon this site looking for ways to embed video on my hostbaby sites, and just thought i would share...ty!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IDK, i have been very happy with them&#8230;i play in multiple projects, love the layout options and how fast and easy it is. To me it seems way more professional than myspace, i teach privately as well, so for what it costs me for 1 lesson, i have a web site for the month&#8230;that  more than pays for itself in my embedded lesson calendar alone&#8230;parents look at the calendar and reschedule missed lessons saving at least $20/month in phone tag hassles&#8230;(which could be done on any website i realize) plus I write it all off on income tax.  The mailing list function is nice too, unlike anything myspace was offering when i first started.  </p>
<p>I am sure there are better bargains but for the time saved AND the ability to change and update very easily, I am pretty content&#8230;speaking of bargains&#8230;independent musicians should check out kunaki.com for really cheap cd production&#8230;like $2 a disc in batches that are VERY small (like 5 cd&#8217;s)</p>
<p>As far as promotion, to me facebook is the best option unless u are a viable touring band with a following.  I am a jazz musician, and simply NOT going to bring huge numbers of people out regularly, but what i have found is last minute fb notices will get those people with nothing to do that night off the couch and into the club.</p>
<p>I stumbled upon this site looking for ways to embed video on my hostbaby sites, and just thought i would share&#8230;ty!</p>
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		<title>By: hallow</title>
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		<dc:creator>hallow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 01:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sivers implimented Host Baby and a few other useless services for the sole purpose of making CDBaby look more valuable to potential buyers of CDBaby.  And since the sale to Disk Makers, every aspect of CDBaby has slide down hill (that is, away from helping independent musicians and toward corporate greed)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sivers implimented Host Baby and a few other useless services for the sole purpose of making CDBaby look more valuable to potential buyers of CDBaby.  And since the sale to Disk Makers, every aspect of CDBaby has slide down hill (that is, away from helping independent musicians and toward corporate greed)</p>
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		<title>By: mai-ling</title>
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		<dc:creator>mai-ling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 18:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i always felt that way about hostbaby.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i always felt that way about hostbaby.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Zell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Zell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 01:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just had this dialogue with CDBaby and then found and read your site. Thank You for your counter weight. I will check out your leads.

Will

&quot;Hi Will,

To do that, you&#039;d need to hire a web designer. What you are describing 
is something that cannot be done with a standard wizard template.

Sorry about that! Let us know if you&#039;d like to switch to a full account 
so that someone could help you design what you described.

:)
Celia


Celia at Hostbaby.com
http://hostbabyfaq.com - Our Brand New FAQ!
hostbaby@hostbaby.com 
1-888-448-6369 




WILL ZELL wrote:
&gt; Dear HostBaby,
&gt;
&gt;   I am writing to inquire information that will help me get started in designing my web site with you. I have looked over the FAQ and searched the other sites. They have been helpful, yet I still need some questions answered if you may?
&gt;
&gt;   Here is what I would like to do and perhaps you can help me get there.
&gt;
&gt;   I would like those clicking on to OpenSourceSongs.org to see a home page that has several thumbnails of different albums along with a brief description of the work. When a customer or fan clicks on the thumbnail a seperate page opens up which includes their bio, news, MP3, purchase info through CDBaby etc.. all of the usual site information that is available through your site building hardware.
&gt;
&gt;   This way I do not have to open up a new account for each artist I help sell their CD. This home page can be added to and one may have to scroll down to see it all. 
&gt;
&gt;   This is really all I need if it is possible. Please let me know how I can get started. I look forward to your response.
&gt;
&gt;  Will Zell &quot;
&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just had this dialogue with CDBaby and then found and read your site. Thank You for your counter weight. I will check out your leads.</p>
<p>Will</p>
<p>&#8220;Hi Will,</p>
<p>To do that, you&#8217;d need to hire a web designer. What you are describing<br />
is something that cannot be done with a standard wizard template.</p>
<p>Sorry about that! Let us know if you&#8217;d like to switch to a full account<br />
so that someone could help you design what you described.</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.superann.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Celia</p>
<p>Celia at Hostbaby.com<br />
<a href="http://hostbabyfaq.com" rel="nofollow">http://hostbabyfaq.com</a> &#8211; Our Brand New FAQ!<br />
<a href="mailto:hostbaby@hostbaby.com">hostbaby@hostbaby.com</a><br />
1-888-448-6369 </p>
<p>WILL ZELL wrote:<br />
&gt; Dear HostBaby,<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt;   I am writing to inquire information that will help me get started in designing my web site with you. I have looked over the FAQ and searched the other sites. They have been helpful, yet I still need some questions answered if you may?<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt;   Here is what I would like to do and perhaps you can help me get there.<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt;   I would like those clicking on to OpenSourceSongs.org to see a home page that has several thumbnails of different albums along with a brief description of the work. When a customer or fan clicks on the thumbnail a seperate page opens up which includes their bio, news, MP3, purchase info through CDBaby etc.. all of the usual site information that is available through your site building hardware.<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt;   This way I do not have to open up a new account for each artist I help sell their CD. This home page can be added to and one may have to scroll down to see it all.<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt;   This is really all I need if it is possible. Please let me know how I can get started. I look forward to your response.<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt;  Will Zell &#8221;<br />
&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just took a quick look at their site and it looks like they haven&#039;t really added any features. Also browsed a few Hostbaby-hosted sites and boy are those designs dated...

Wordpress is a great platform for websites -- it&#039;s free and with a little know-how you can have it do everything a website needs to do. For example, you can use it to serve up a podcast to iTunes. The internet has really evolved and as an independent musician you really should be taking advantage of everything you can to promote yourself. If you buy any sort of cheap standard shared hosting, you could probably get a free domain name, set it up with WordPress, and either find some nice free template to use (there are tons, just do a search) and/or hire someone to design something custom.

And don&#039;t forget all those social networking websites!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just took a quick look at their site and it looks like they haven&#8217;t really added any features. Also browsed a few Hostbaby-hosted sites and boy are those designs dated&#8230;</p>
<p>WordPress is a great platform for websites &#8212; it&#8217;s free and with a little know-how you can have it do everything a website needs to do. For example, you can use it to serve up a podcast to iTunes. The internet has really evolved and as an independent musician you really should be taking advantage of everything you can to promote yourself. If you buy any sort of cheap standard shared hosting, you could probably get a free domain name, set it up with WordPress, and either find some nice free template to use (there are tons, just do a search) and/or hire someone to design something custom.</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t forget all those social networking websites!</p>
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		<title>By: Ceez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ceez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see this is a old. So have they gotton better, or are there other sites that work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see this is a old. So have they gotton better, or are there other sites that work?</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are some good alternatives?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are some good alternatives?</p>
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